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Ecotricity more expensive than a good diesel

Discussion in 'General Charging Discussion' started by Jason Elsom, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. Jason Elsom

    Jason Elsom New Member

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    I've recently discovered as a long distance EV driver that it would be better for me to buy a diesel car. Since Ecotricity charge £6 for a partial charge and the distance between charging stations can be 50-60 miles I find myself having to charge twice in a 90 mile journey at a cost of £12 per 90 miles. A good diesel car can do this for around £7... Frustrated.
     
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  2. cah197

    cah197 Well-Known Member

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    Really? So you set off from home with a nearly flat battery?
     
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  3. SmurfUK76

    SmurfUK76 Active Member

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    Upgrade to a 30kw leaf, I can easily do 120miles on a charge from home (90 if im pure motorway) . Cost about £2
     
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  4. JDleaf

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    £7 too you for the journey, lots more in the cost it would add to the NHS because of all the horrible stuff that it emits. It would not be better for you to have a diesel car. Thank you for driving electric.
     
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  5. Anthony Earles

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    There is no such thing as a "good" diesel.
     
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  6. Kentish

    Kentish Well-Known Member

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    Who told you a leaf was suitable for your use profile.
    Get a zoe you'll never need to public charge again.
     
  7. E Geeza

    E Geeza Moderator

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    Unfortunately, a short range EV is not ideal for regular long distance travel.
    The 'cheaper' diesel also has the hidden cost of adding to air pollution, something we all pay for!
     
  8. cgiAlexis

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    1. Ecotricity are using the higher average prices in order to raise money to cover both running costs and expansion and upgrade costs

    2. Buying diesel funds anti-renewable lobbying and adds 40,000 UK patients, care time, end of life care, and burials and cremations a year to the UK budget
     
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  9. halcyonrichard

    halcyonrichard Well-Known Member

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    Any solid information on that ? The last expansion was the TEN-T EU funded 73 rapids. I am interested in the CCS network rapids but they seem few and far between with virtually no new ones going in.

    Richard
     
  10. Kentish

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    Lol. It would have to be a pretty good diesel to do 90 miles for £7 or 77mpg - must be a VW ;)
    Most would cost more like £11
     
  11. AtTheVan

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    You can't add burials and cremations to the cost as people will always die no matter what kills them. Whether they die early or late then the number of deaths per year is pretty much the same. A cold winter will kill more than a mild winter, so maybe the offset of global warming will be good for the early deaths in the U.K.

    I drive a diesel, I have no choice, there are no viable alternatives that I can afford that would allow me to travel to and do my job.
     
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    Yup, not all of us are lucky enough to be able to charge at home.

    Thanks to freeloaders and charge station hoggers taking advantage of free parking, mental pricing has been introduced.

    Fine for those of you who can charge at home, however I've gone back to diesel, as it's a nightmare. Cheers guys
     
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  13. Eugene Lambert

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    Hmmm. I think you'll find charging for charging was introduced because Ecotricity is a business not a charity.
     
  14. proddick

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    If you can't charge at home, sadly a diesel does make more sense at present, particularly if cost is the only criteria.

    Hopefully more provision will be made for those who don't have off street parking, but I doubt there will ever be a big cost saving for those users - that ship has sailed. Ultimately the hope is that the 200+ mile cars coming will attract people based on other factors rather than just cost. The Ampera-e looks a great car and hopefully a sign of other things to come.

    The use case for a low range EV and regular long journeys was very narrow and distorted by the untenable free charging. Personally having to stop and charge every 50 or so miles never appealed to me - hence I drive an Ampera. If I were looking now, perhaps I would consider a Zoe 40 as 100+ between charges is more tenable, but still not ideal for my North Wales trips.
     
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    Hmmm I thought it had been too long since we had one of these threads...
     
  16. Kentish

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    Man buys wrong car, sells it, buys diesel then joins the EH haterz.

     
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  17. Richard Butler

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    yes, it is that usual story of "usage pattern".
    the original poster does have a point, that the current infrastructure isn't good for a "long distance EV driver" (his words) if you have a Leaf or any of the the current 100 mile "city" BEVs.

    That was part of why I went for a PHEV and our 2nd car is a BEV.

    £6 doesn't sound too bad to top up a Tesla if you are doing it because it is a convenient stop between superchargers.
     
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    Well EH will be introducing new shorter tariffs (plus OP seems to have 'free' charges based on other posts) so the situation is far from clear...
     
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    Any info on the introduction of shorter tariffs? 10 or 15 minute blocks, and the ability to buy more than one at once would be useful.
     
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    What I want to know is, has the cost of buying fuel been replaced by the cost of buying a cup of tea/dinner whilst waiting for your car? Twice in the last 2 weeks I have had dinner at Harvester Northampton whilst waiting for my car. That's £15 each time. Visit a m-way services and you buy a cup of tea, etc.

    I need to find a 12v kettle, or camping stove perhaps. I keep my sleeping bag in the under-boot compartment as it is....
     
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