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Discussion in 'Ice Breakers' started by Blue Dragon, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. Blue Dragon

    Blue Dragon New Member

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    Hello. I have just started a new job and have a 90 mile round trip commute but have charging facilities at work. I have previously had an i3 on trial for a week with my previous job and loved it but couldn't make the numbers work for me then. I am now weighing up the pros and cons of buying a 2 year old Leaf Tekna (budget doesn't quite accommodate an i3) versus a 3 year old 1.6 diesel. I would be looking to buy outright and to run then until they 'die'.

    Any thoughts, experiences and/or advise would be very welcome.

    Many thanks
    BD
     
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  2. Hilltop Dave

    Hilltop Dave Well-Known Member

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    For a 24kWh Leaf, for the 90 mile round trip commute the workplace charging is essential. The worst I have had (cold wet day - wet makes a lot of difference to range) is 60 miles (at under 50mph) on a full charge. What is your workplace charging facility - 13A outdoor socket, or a proper Type 2 socketed outlet, and if the latter is it 16A or 32A capable? With a 13A socket and the standard Nissan 'brick' lead, after a bad cold day driving to work you could need 6 hours + to get you back up to full charge (you should have enough to get you back home after 4 hours).

    Are you at your place of work all day, or do you have to go out as part of your work? - increases miles driven and reduces time available for workplace charging.

    Is there any difference in height above sea level between work and home? Going uphill borrows a lot of battery charge (but you get most of it back when you go downhill).

    Are there any charging facilities between work and home in case you get caught short of workplace charging time - or if there is an overnight power cut at home?
     
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  3. SCanfer

    SCanfer Active Member

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    You need to think about worst case scenario, which is cold, windy and wet weather. I second the "60 miles" Hilltop Dave mentions, at least I've found that for a 2013, 24kWh Leaf.
    Speed matters a lot too. 90 miles motorway is totally different to 90 miles on B-roads.
    However- regular 90 mile commutes is really 30kWh Leaf territory. You'd rarely complete 90 mile roundtrips in a 24kWh car without charging.
     
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  4. Eugene Lambert

    Eugene Lambert Well-Known Member

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    Given how fast the EV-world is changing, I'd go for an older (and cheaper) 24kWh Leaf with no battery degradation. As long as you can get a guaranteed charge at work, that will work for you year round. Then in a couple of years you can trade up to the next generation EV, where the prices will have come down.

    That said, my suggestion 100% depends upon reliable work charging. If your work charger failed or was withdrawn you'd have a problem. Of course all you need is access to a 13A socket, but ...
     
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  5. Mike J.

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    If you want something like a BMW i3 - short length, automatic gears, fast off the line, NOT a diesel and is secondhand, then check out a Toyota Yaris Hybrid - petrol costs are about 10p a mile (55mpg average, 70mpg an easy target in summer). Get a 3 year old high mileage one and still have 2 years Toyota warranty.

    If you ignore the fact that is has a 1.5 litre petrol engine, at economical power it is almost as quiet as an EV (you can hardly hear, nor feel, the engine cut in or out) and it drives like an EV. The main differences between the Yaris and say a Zoe is high performance engine noise and no pre-conditioning (have to scrape ice of windscreen, etc.).
     
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  6. Blue Dragon

    Blue Dragon New Member

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    Thank you for the insights provided, for clarity my work location is slightly closer to sea level than my home location but the trip only has one significant climb in either direction. At work I have access to both a DC rapid charger and 13amp sockets but with no 3.6kw or 7kw fast charge option. Given there are multiple sockets I am reasonably confident about being able to charge on a daily basis so my range anxiety is centred around being able to complete a 50 mile journey (in case of having to deviate from normal route) in low temperature using headlamps and wipers (and preferably some heating) in a car with a 4 or 5 year old battery and 70+K on the clock.
     
  7. Eugene Lambert

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    Given that - I'd say you'd be fine. You car would have to be badly degraded to not cover 50 miles. In the event of a deviation required in winter, you'd have to maximise your warm weather clothing! Also, do you have any just-in-case public charger opportunities on the way home?
     
  8. Blue Dragon

    Blue Dragon New Member

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    The charging options on my route home are all in the early part of the journey with no options in the final 20 miles.
     
  9. Eugene Lambert

    Eugene Lambert Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like you're all set then, with enough backup options that you'll never be caught out. Go for it! :D
     
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  10. Hilltop Dave

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    As long as you know how much charge you normally use for that final 20 miles, you have a figure for the minimum state of charge you must have when passing the last charging point. With a DC charger and several 13A sockets at work, you should be OK with a well used 24kWh Leaf - I would go for a Gen 2 (as that is what I have), but Gen 1 users may wish to comment about how they think they would get on in cold weather.

    With the height difference between home and work, for a 24kWh Leaf you would probably find going home you will use an extra 6% SOC per 100m of height difference between work and home compared to the % SOC used going to work. - It is the difference in height between home and work that counts, rather than the height of any intervening hills (provided you have enough charge to get over their summits).
     
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  11. SCanfer

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    Sounds good, lucky to have a Rapid at work! Just bear in mind that a rapid will take you to 80% quickly but has to slow down significantly to squeeze in the last 20% of charge.
     
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  12. Blue Dragon

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    Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experience. I'm in!!! Just need to find a vehicle now :). Any thoughts on best way of approaching this? I am best off searching Autotrader and the Nissan used car website for what I am seeking :eek:, or are there hidden sources of vehicles that I am otherwise oblivious of? I am seeking a battery owned EV with heated seats no more than 3 years old, ideally with a fast charger and for up to around £10k, I have missed out on a Leaf Tekna with 20k miles with 6.6k/w at just under £10k. Also is there a specialist organisation who would, for a cost be able to tell a Leaf from a Lemon? Not sure I trust the AA or RAC to do this, fear I may get a report indicating that the engine is missing.
     
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    I'm also considering (quite strongly) going electric, but having thought about it a bit I've concluded that rather than buy outright (which I usually do), it might be worth getting a 2 year old (24kWh) Leaf on a PCP contract - Nissan has quite a few just coming off their original PCP, and are offering incentives (e.g. £1000 "dealer" contribution and a free charger) to shift them. Depreciation on my 7 year old Fiesta Econetic looks like being about £135 per month if I get rid of it now. So a Leaf on a PCP contract around £165 per month for a couple of years seems not unreasonable. And the leaf should save me about £60 a month in fuel costs.
     
  14. SCanfer

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    Recent offers on the classifieds here are tempting.
    Given the impending Leaf 2 (or is it 3?) there should be great deals to be had. Wherever you go, do your homework. Even Nissan dealers can be ignorant of the Leaf. You've always got the 5 year Nissan warranty, and now there is some third party support too. Personally I went main dealer for a 3 year old, as I found prices were good.
    You might find my blog useful-
    Buying a used electric Leaf
     
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