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Is the Imiev worth it?

Discussion in 'General Mitsubishi EV Discussion' started by Eunicholas, Jul 11, 2015.

  1. Jasmin

    Jasmin Active Member

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    That was quick. I'm guessing they saw a traffic spike on the page when people here had a look...
     
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    Seriously considering a used iMiev to replace our old ICE and keep the Soul company. How are the batteries holding up people? We are looking at a 2009-2011 iMiev or clone. My only concern is battery life, just like everyone else. Is anyone out there able to recondition/update them? As one of the earliest 'proper' EVs, maybe there is more history/knowledge established than for newer models.
     
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    Someone over at AEVA (Australian EV assoc) needed a new traction battery (outside of warrenty), and Mitsubishi did offer a complete replacement. You can check the discussion here. The battery does disassemble relatively easily so an independent EV specialist can swap out individual cells if one is bad, obviously only once you are out of warranty. From what I understand though, the I-miev battery system was very robustly and conservatively designed, and seem to hold up pretty well. The vehicle itself is mechanically simple and again seems pretty robust.

    As for updates, forget about anything official from Mitsu - they have decided to let the i-miev wither on the vine (much to my disappointment, as it's got a lot of potential). There is a fairly active owner community though, and lots of tips and DIY hacks to improve stuff like heater efficiency and so on. I'm looking to get one myself this year, and I'm kinda looking forward to it actually :)
     
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    Thanks, I expected the design to be cautious as every manufacturer should be keen to avoid bad press on early cars just as the volumes ramp up on later ones. As long as the range stays above 50 miles the car would be useful
     
  5. Mark Cornwall

    Mark Cornwall Well-Known Member Speak EV Supporter

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    We have a 2011 ion and havent noticed any decrease in range at all. Can be readily seen available for 5 - 5.5k these days. In a 2 car household its a smart move. It covers 80% of our journeys and at 8000 miles a year compared to our 40mpg old ice saves us £900 in fuel plus the road tax on another ice so around £1000 a year. Of course considerably more when oil goes back up in price. Range is 60 miles at present and 70 in summer. Deduct 10 miles if driven enthusiastically.
     
  6. Bob Murphy

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    I'm finding no issues with battery life across my fleet, though have only just received an appropriate OBD II reader that will let me use the CANiON app to interrogate the car like LEAF Spy does on my Nissans. The highest mileage car has 18,000+ miles on it, with a usual range indicated of about 70. It does tend to get driven hard though, with the heater and AC on, so its energy use is pretty high. One of the other vehicles, which has an easier life, shows a range of up to 90 available on a full charge.

    One downside I've encountered as parts wear is the cost of replacement and lack of availability. Brake pads and discs have been tricky to find, and main dealer prices are insane. eBay and Amazon do list the parts though but forget going to your local motor factor.
     
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    Best we got when pottering about was 82 miles last summer. Our has done nearly 24000 miles (13k in our 14 months of ownership) and Canion reports the battery to still be in rude health.

    I worry about parts availability but none needed so far.

    Brake pads and discs are as new thanks to the regen brake.

    But it's a terrific drive round central Manchester as the small.size, nippy response and tiny turning circle are great assets.

    Really pleased we took the plunge.
     
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    Mentioning services....our will come out of all.warranties in may 2016.

    I'm not going to waste money on a service. I can change brake fluid myself and the cabin air filter.

    What else is there to 'service'?
     
  9. Bob Murphy

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    Not a lot... Here's a list that came with our most recent service, apologies for the low-res scan. i-MiEV Service Schedule.png
     
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    Many thanks Bob. I saw something in our service book about 'drain the reducer' - presumably part of the air con. I raised a thread on here with no positive response.

    Basically.....its maintenance free then ? I know what to look at to make sure everything is 'inspected'.

    Another plus point for the car then.
     
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    This is our current thinking when Leaf PCP is up in Nov. We're going to source a low mileage Imiev / clone for around £5-£6k and use it for 90% of our daily use and an ICE Mpv for long trips / hols.
     
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    Basically MoT checks, which is why I've suggested before that EVs just aren't going to get any servicing once they are out of warranty.
     
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    As the I-miev is still sold in the US, I believe Mitsu are required to supply parts until the 2020s - so they should be easy enough to get online cheaply enough, and have a local mechanic fit them. Almost all the general mechanics (outside the drivetrain) are shared with the "i" ICE vehicle, which was sold in Japan for years, so again should be easy to get parts on online if you look for those rather than ones listed under miev/ion/zero. A few parts on US models are different as American regulations meant US imports needed to have a slightly wider body, though I can't see how it'd effect most, if any, consumable parts.
     
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    Which might not be a bad thing. The citroen place that serviced ours and did recall work was slapdash and very poor. I've had shocking diagnosis from another dealer ( resonance on overrun, was loose pipework on air intake; main dealer suggested change all four tyres due to 4wd wind up- this was a car with part time 4wd.)

    There's basically nothing to service, and I'm confident and mech savvy enough to know when a problem is starting.
     
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    Thanks for the info everyone. Thus informed and with our confidence in our current EV, we plan to become a two-EV household (though with a Diesel as well!) The only issue is that we have been quoted over £500 to insure a little Miev, which is about £150 more than the current shopping trolley. Love the service checklist @Bob Murphy
     
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    Shop around. Can't remember how much we paid but it was around 250 fully comp full no claims.

    The imiev isn't expensive to insure.
     
  17. DBMandrake

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    Hi Bob,

    I'm curious to know what Mitsubishi charge for the i-Miev service compared to Peugeot for the Ion.

    My 2011 Ion has just turned 6 this month, and I've only had it since March. It has now done 33k. (Battery is holding up very well so far - 39.7Ah usable capacity or 86.3% at 32k miles)

    I don't know about Mitsubishi but Peugeot offer an 8 year "battery warranty" which is only valid if the car is serviced yearly, which prior to me buying the car it has been.

    It is now due at the end of June for its 6 year service, which according to Peugeot is a whopping £381. :eek: The following years (final) service is a paltry £181 by comparison. :ROFLMAO: When I enquired over the phone just what went into this and why it was so expensive I got a load of mumbo jumbo from the service manager saying that electric cars have all these things that need doing that normal cars don't... Yeah right.:rolleyes:

    Looking at the service schedule you posted I presume the 24 month schedule is the one that it will be - I can't see anything on there that could possibly add up to £381.

    I went back and forth for quite a while whether I would just ignore it and let the remaining two years of battery warranty expire but I'm loathe to do that when it is still currently warrantied, just in case I do have any issues in the next two years, so I think I'll have to reluctantly pay it...

    I will certainly be questioning them in detail as to exactly what they are doing, because I'm fairly technical, and do all my own ICE car maintenance and can easily do everything on the schedule listed above, so the ONLY reason I am taking it to them at all is to maintain the remaining battery warranty....

    Has anyone else's Peugeot Ion been for its 6 year service yet and did you take it or decide to forgo it ?
     
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    We didn't go to Mitsubishi Dealers last time - though probably will this year. They have the specialist diagnostic software called MUT3 which is used to interrogate the battery. As far as I remember, the last service was done through a Nissan dealer and came in at around £100. Minor things we can do ourselves, but eventually things like the coolant and transmission fluid will need doing.
     
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    I have my own Lexia 3 which is the PSA dealer diagnostic tool that is compatible with the Ion/C-Zero, (and has equivalent functionality to a MUT3) so I can already check the underlying status of the battery down to the individual cell level, and everything looks absolutely fine there with all cells perfectly balanced and remaining Ah capacity being as good or better than any other i-Miev/Ion/C-Zero's I've seen Ah capacity quoted for online for similar mileage.

    As for having Nissan service it, I doubt whether that would maintain Peugeot's 8 year "extended battery warranty", which is dependent on them servicing it yearly for it to remain valid.

    I'm also more than capable of doing anything on the service schedule that you posted a photo of, so the only reason I'd even consider taking it to Peugeot is to maintain the "extended battery warranty"... although at 6 years and 32k miles there isn't that much that needs doing as far as I can see, hence me being a bit grumpy at the price gouging! :rolleyes:
     
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    I had my c-zero serviced at my local mitsubishi dealer a few miles from work, rather than having to treck to citroen in Birmingham 35 miles away. Their technicians service the miev and they were happy to do the c-zero which is the same service procedure. They were at least £120 cheaper than citroen for the "major" service from memory too. Also Citroen wouldn't be able to claim it invalidates your warranty by going somewhere else as long as the service is done to the service schedule spec.

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